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Do you support the specific proposal for slewing mobile cranes?
Why?
Because each crane is different and has diferent operational conditions and caraistics. The same in one type of cranre can not be said about another type of crane. Most have different operational requirements.
If the proposal above was introduced, what impact would it have for you and your organisation?For example, would it keep workers safer? Would it improve WHS or create costs for your business? Could there be unintended secondary risks?
Yes there could be secondary risks, I don't feel it would make the operation of various cranes safer iether. this would be down to the training and operation of a specific crane.
If there are other alternatives, what are these and how would they improve crane safety and the operation of crane licences?
In my opionion it would be better to have a log book system, but that would not garenty the ohnesty of the log book and validaty of the system.
Could be an age suitably training, a time served system, an Apprentichip system, again we need to have some validaty and accountability, on who is signing these documents.
We would need to look at the cost not only in moneytary value, but also time cost, If we straight away put these in to place, I don't think we would keep up to the requrements the industries that use crane operators.
We need to concentrate, in my opinion, just like any other industry Builder, Mechanic, Construction, Mining.
Again validation of there exposer to suitable training and valid signatures.
Gaining the licence then straight into operation of the crane without any further training will not be the safest way to carry on./ But gaining the licence then an appretiship with log book might be the way to go. We would not be able to do it by type of lifts, as these our many varied and not consistant of type or time in some industries.
We could make it a graduation of licence as the DoT with driver licences. this would give time and exposure, but then we would have to look at crane types and licence types to bring in new groups or types of crane licence.
Do you support the specific proposal for vehicle loading cranes?
Why?
This is the most confused licence in the system, Some states have "you need a licence some mines require you to have a licence, some don't. This type of equipment has a specific set of operation rules and should be the same whether it is 100kg or 10,000kg lifting capabilities. Dogman or, no Dogman needs to be clarified.
If the proposal above was introduced, what impact would it have for you and your organisation? For example, would it keep workers safer? Would it improve WHS or create costs for your business? Could there be unintended secondary risks?
In mu opinion, You can't train out stupidy or short cuts, it would have no bearing at this point in time on my industry. as we work to the higest and safest at all times.
Are there alternatives, including non-regulatory alternatives, to the proposal proposed? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety and the operation of crane licences?
I don't think there is any alternatives, keep it smiply and easy to understand, but don't make it hard to obtain a licence.
Same as Cranes
Do you support the specific proposal for non-slewing mobile cranes?
Why?
Yes, Keep the licence system the same, but one licence for all Mobile cranes no wait restriction in the operation of the crane the crane capacity would regulate that.
If the proposal above was introduced, what impact would it have for you and your organisation For example, would it keep workers safer? Would it improve WHS or create costs for your business? Could there be unintended secondary risks?
No impact at all, would clear up some confusions in the licenceing rules would make it safer but again you cannot stop the short cuts.
Are there alternatives, including non-regulatory alternatives, to the proposal proposed? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety and the operation of crane licences?
On all machines talked about Clarification, Voc 's and a personal log book covering all equipment operated may clear up any confusion if they have operated this type of equipment before and it would in my opinion cut down on the safety issues with various industries. I am a great believer of one or a few, operators to one crane not every man and his dog on site operating the crane or equpment on the site.
Do you support the proposal for practical experience for operators?
Why?
As mentioned in pervious page. Again validaty of the document ,data.
If the proposals above were introduced, what impact would they have for you and your organisation For example, would they keep workers safer? Would they improve WHS or create costs for your business?
Yes, Cost of personnel, Time, to my organisation and the industries yes , but it would maybe keep indiviuduals safer.
What factors would impact the success of a logbook system for cranes? What are the most important considerations in designing a logbook system for you and your organisation?
Validity, Tasking conducted, Honesty.
Are there alternatives to the proposals proposed? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety and the operation of crane licences?
I don't think so, yes it could do only time will tell and data collected.
Under the proposal, trainee crane operators who are gaining practical experience will need to be supervised by a suitably qualified competent person in the workplace. What types of qualifications and experience should the supervisor signing off the logbook have?
Voc, on the piece of equipment they are signing them off on. But this is best done by the Trainer and training department. Validaty.
Should a person gaining practical experience have to be employed in a business that operates a crane? Are there alternative ways the person could gain practical experience?
Yes for the type of crane they are going to get trained on. No I think this will be costly for you to get experience on a crane if it is a RTO with a crane and what time frame or hours of operation would you put on the training.
For each of the following licence or crane types, provide an indication of approximately how long a person should work under supervision before being fully qualified.
| Hours | Days | Months | |
| Dogging | 8 | ||
| Tower cranes | 5 | ||
| Articulated mobile cranes | 4 | ||
| Bridge and gantry cranes | 12 | ||
| Slewing mobile cranes | 4 | ||
| Vehicle loading cranes | 12 |
Please provide the reasons for your views. Are there relevant examples from your workplace that demonstrate why a longer/shorter duration is appropriate?
Yes, I currently VOC personnel on 3 of the above and different personnel have different learning abilities and capabilities on various machines. demestraighting thier ability to operate the piece of equipment. We will never be able to show them every lift they might or might not complete, but they will all get the basics on the above time frames with the attitude during the VOC.
There should be entry exam that would give the RTOI Trainer a guide line for his supervision or his ability and suitability for the position.
Do you support the proposed new licences for telehandlers, piling rigs and straddle carriers?
Why?
These can be a very danger piece of equipment, but again there is a lot of confusion in the system of what you need, to what or piece of equipment they are using it for.
If the proposals above were introduced, what impact would they have for you and your organisation For example, would they keep workers safer? Would they improve WHS or create costs for your business?
Not sure, just the agricultral industry as this is widley used there for various duties, Mining and Construction industries also widley use them but the attachments differ.
What factors would impact the success of the proposed new licences?
Cost and availability of RTO's and on various equipment.
Are there alternatives to the proposals proposed, including non-regulatory options? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety?
Yes, One Licence covers all attachments for a telehandler, weather it is telehandler or telehandler with slewing capabilities and stabilisers.
For each of the licences or crane types proposed, provide an indication of approximately how long a person should work under supervision before being fully qualified.
| Hours | Days | Months | |
| Piling rig | 8 | ||
| Telehandler | 0 | 6 | |
| Straddle carrier | 8 | ||
| Telehandler (suspended load elective licence) | 8 | ||
| Telehandler (work platform suspended licence) | 8 |
Are there specific types of plant or models that should or shouldn’t be included in the scope of each proposed licence?
No, all such as Magi, Manitou, United, should all be the same licence and include all attachments.
Do you support the proposal for structural changes to align training to specific skills and crane functions?
Why not?
Because I think it would cause a lot of confusion in the industries and individuals.
If the proposals above were introduced, what impact would they have for you and your organisation For example, would they keep workers safer? Would they improve WHS or create costs for your business?
Not sure
What factors would impact the success of the proposed new crane licence model?
Not sure
Are there alternatives, including non-regulatory alternatives, to the proposals proposed? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety?
I think more discusion with various industries is required.
How much experience should an operator have operated a standard slewing mobile crane before being allowed to apply for advanced elective licences (see Figure 4)?
This will depend on the individual and training group.
Does the removal of any of the current crane licences and incorporation into the new model create any WHS risks?
Removal would
Should all bridge and gantry cranes (regardless of the number of functions) be licenced?
If not, what types should be exempt from a licence?
Current satandard and licencing is good at the moment
Should the piling rig licence be separated from the slewing crane base licence?
Why?
Different skill and operations
Do you support the proposal for operating cranes on vessels?
Why?
because it is a crane and has a standard of operatiuon as the same on land.
If the proposals above were introduced, what impact would they have for you and your organisation For example, would they keep workers safer? Would they improve WHS or create costs for your business?
Don't know
What factors would impact the success of the proposed new crane licence model?
Don't know
Are there alternatives, including non-regulatory alternatives, to the proposals proposed? What are these, and how would they improve crane safety?
Don't know
Are the activities and equipment listed still relevant to rigging work or should they be removed from Schedule 3?
Are there any other activities or items not currently covered by a rigging licence that you think should be licenced?
Inspection of lifting equipment
What impact would change to the rigging licence framework have on you or your business?
I am not knowladgable in all these subjects to answer the above questions.
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